I said I wasn't going to do this,..

[caz963]

... but i'm so tired I can't think straight anyway, so I thought I might as well add my crackpot / exhaustion induced theories to the pile.

I watched The Rebel Flesh again the other night and remembered some of the stuff I forgot to put in my original post.

ETA - I refer to the synopsis for ep 7 in this

The Doctor clearly had the intention of heading off alone to investigate the factory/monastery and I don't think it was just because he wanted to protect Amy's unborn possible-baby. I mean, if he was that desperate to protect him/her, he'd have sent her home by now, no?

More pregnancy scanning (yawn) and a reappearance of "eye-patch" lady. Back when she first appeared and said "she's still sleeping", I started to wonder if what we were seeing was really a dream that Amy's having. If it's a drug-induced one and she's sedated, eye-patch woman could be appearing as she starts to come out of it - and the hatch slams shut as the drugs kick in again.

This would fit in with the blurb for ep 7 - Amy Pond has been kidnapped, wouldn't it? She was kidnapped back in DotM and replaced with a Silence-made "Flesh" copy, only this is a more advanced version and able to remain stable without proximity to the original. That would also fit with what the Doctor muttered about the version of the Flesh they encounter at the factory being an "earlier" one.

And if the "kidnapped" storyline is what starts ep 7, that would mean the Doctor finding out about ganger!Amy - or having his suspicious confirmed - in ep.6. Which would tie in with what Matthew Graham said about getting to write two cliffhangers. (One at the end of each episode.)

The real Amy IS pregnant - but the Flesh copy isn't (or vice-versa I suppose) which accounts for the inconclusive scans. I don't, at the moment, have any theories about the possible!baby, although I do think that the idea of some Rosemary's Baby type scenario relating to the Silence or some other alien species would be going a bit too far down the horror route for a family show.

Are the workers at the factory "real" at all? The gangers that we've seen have all the memories and experiences of their originals and believe themselves to BE the originals. So what's to say that the ones we believe to be the originals aren't gangers, too?

The missing hour. A lot can happen in an hour - enough time for the Flesh to clone everyone, so the Doctor, Rory and Amy we've been seeing since Eleven fell off that tower (you'd think that he'd have learned not to climb tall buildings during electrical storms by now, wouldn't you?) could be gangers.

Is the ganger!Eleven we saw at the end of TRF the only one in existence? What if there are two copies - one good, one bad and it's the good copy in the spacesuit at the beginning of TIA?

If the only way to kill a Time Lord is to kill him before he can regenerate; and, as I'm led to infer by Eleven's discovery that ganger!Chris Skelton (sorry!) had a heart - gangers are exact copies, that ganger!Eleven is also an exact duplicate... then that's the only way he could be killed, too. But it's too obvious, isn't it? That THAT is the version of Eleven who's killed by the lake in TIA? And that he's killed by another doppelganger. (And then what happens to that doppelganger? If they're exact copies, can they regenerate, too??)

I know that there's been much trumpeting about the mid-season cliffhanger being a "gamechanger" and that something will happen which will change the relationship between the Doctor and Amy forever. Personally, I'm hoping that means she's going to bugger off.
But I hope that, even with what is surely going to be a cliffie of MASSIVE proportions, we're going to get some answers, too, otherwise the three month wait is going to be pretty unbearable.

One problem I'm having with this series so far is that the "arc" episodes (Moffat's two) have contained SO MUCH information (and undoubtedly, so much misinformation) and left so many hanging threads, that I'm worried some of them will get forgotten. DotM asked far more questions than it answered, and I really hope that this isn't going to be the case with A Good Man Goes to War. I want something to come back to in the autumn, but is it too much to ask for a few of the hanging plot-points to be resolved before then?


I'm about to take a nose-dive into the laptop, so I'll stop there although I'm sure I've left something out. I'd love to hear your theories, too - crackpot or otherwise :-)

Comments

[develish1]

well you know where to find my ramblings, but yes I too leapt on the idea that the clone Doctor is the one we saw shot in the opening ep.

although......my thoughts were that it was either the real Doctor, or River in that space suit. She does go to prison for killing a man, remember? knowing SM though, anything possible, since he's clearly making it up as he goes along, lol

[caz963.livejournal.com]

The thing is, that while some things - like that idea of it being ganger!Eleven who is shot, two hundred years into his future - seem obvious, I start thinking that perhaps they're TOO obvious and discount them.

Having said that though, the latest spoilers are saying that it's been under our noses all the time, so maybe obvious is the way to go.

[chloris67.livejournal.com]

Hmmm...I suppose a flesh and non-flesh Amy could explain the little bit pregnant thing. And the Silents did have her for a while -- long enough to do this. However, I still give a high probability for Moffat to add in some time loops or alternate universes from time splitting. (He does love that stuff.)

As for the Doctor, I think you're right on with the ganger!Doctor theory. Maybe not the details but here we have an episode full of CLONES which could easily give us a Doctor to kill without killing the Doctor.

(BTW: I did not know that Amy would be kidnapped until I read your post so I would consider that spoilery for the mid-season finale.)

[caz963.livejournal.com]

Eeep! Sorry about the spoiler. The synopsis for ep 7 has been out for a couple of weeks and I assumed everyone'd read it because I'm usually the last person to find out!

There is also the possibility that "oooh. CLONES!" is just what Moff wants us to think and it'll turn out to be something else entirely :P

[chloris67.livejournal.com]

Eh, I'm not upset. I just didn't know and wasn't expecting episode 7 info here. :D

[caz963.livejournal.com]

:-)

I've added a spoiler indication anyway. Must. Do. Better in future!

[canterlevi.livejournal.com]

(eyeballs rolling around in my head)

I must be the laziest viewer because I have stopped trying to understand where this story is going. Perhaps you can explain it to me over lunch when I get there, That way you can use flowcharts and illustrations and perhaps then I'll get a bit of a clue. I'll bring paper and crayons.

::grumbles:: at self.

[caz963.livejournal.com]

My head hurts, too, but I think this is pretty mild theorizing compared to some of the stuff that's going on. I said somewhere the other day that if it weren't for the fact that I've always watched DW on a Saturday teatime, and that the kids like it, I might be reduced to waiting for the DVDs so I could watch it all at once.

[canterlevi.livejournal.com]

I got lost somewhere back in Series 5 and haven't been able to find my way since then.

[kilodalton]

But it's too obvious, isn't it? That THAT is the version of Eleven who's killed by the lake in TIA?

Idk, I would have thought it was obvious that books are made out of paper, but he managed to stretch that concept into a two-parter - with a more complicated ganger concept, I can totally see him stretching that out 7-8 more episodes XD

In all seriousness, I really don't think Moffat's plot resolutions are all that impressive, and a lot of them are obvious in retrospect when you look back on them. So I think it's within the realm of possibility that that's what we're seeing here.

Either that, or that River marries the ganger. Or an alt!Eleven, which I've been saying for a while now. Too much talk about parallel universes/people in this series for it to be coincidental ...

[caz963.livejournal.com]

Thing is (and as I've just said upthread) the latest spoilers are telling us "it's been under your nose all along!", so perhaps obvious is the way to go. We've got so hung up on Moffat being devious (which he undoubtedly is) that maybe we're forgetting that some things really ARE what they seem.

Also - what has ganger!Eleven been doing for two hundred years?

[kilodalton]

We've got so hung up on Moffat being devious (which he undoubtedly is) that maybe we're forgetting that some things really ARE what they seem.

Exactly! That's what I'm betting.

Also - what has ganger!Eleven been doing for two hundred years?

Three words: Helen of Troy >.^

[caz963.livejournal.com]

Helen of Troy

Heh. I said what, not who! *g*